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The picture published in Fleshbot of Mr Hall wearing an "Abby" nametag and taking a picture which is credited to "Abby" on the site seems to me to settle the matter pretty conclusively -- Adell Why is this notable?

Just becuase some online news site happened to write about it? Seems to be just one person's random rant. Isn't there some rule about undue weight?

Therefore, text that rely on this dead link as a source cannot be considered properly sourced — it is no longer extant information that can be checked by third parties.

In my opinion, the section should stay, however, it should only cite statements found in the Herald-Sun article, since this is the only verifiable source for these criticisms.

Iamcuriousblue talk , 26 October UTC. He was born Ainsley Hall, and grew up on a goat farm in a small Victorian country town. He later changed his name to avoid ambiguity about his sex.

He is without question Abby Winters, and even maintained a spreadsheet outlining which staff knew the secret, which staff didn't, and which staff simply weren't sure.

Garion celebrates the same birthday as Abby, December 13, May well all be true, but shouldn't really be here should it? Can anyone supply some?

I've removed this in line with Policy on unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material Adell talk , 5 May UTC.

While criticisms, especially newsworthy ones, need to be covered, looking at the amount of space given to different parts of the article, it looks to me like undue weight is given to criticisms and controversies surrounding AW.

It seems to me that for balance, the article needs to be expanded to give more of an overall description of the site and its place in the porn industry, as well as the positive published views of the site and its content, of which quite a bit has been said.

Iamcuriousblue talk , 19 June UTC. One of the interesting things about Abby Winters is its amazing capacity to generate strong passions, both pro- and anti-.

A glance at the postings about the recent bust will show you that. I think the article should reflect this, and I don't think it's especially unbalanced as it stands Adell talk , 21 June UTC.

The statement "It is commonly rated as one of the best amateur porn sites" is POV and only backed by references to a couple of the many internet porn portals, which aren't exactly the most reliable sources.

This statement needs to go unless it can be better supported by several strong references. Iamcuriousblue talk , 3 July UTC. An AW model got some small noteriaty in the Australian media last year: [19].

This is probably worth a mention somewhere in the article. On 16 June G Media offices in Melbourne were raided by Victoria Police ' as part of a wider operation named "Operation Refuge", which is a police investigation into the filming of underage models, as well as producing pornography in Victoria, which is illegal'.

Detectives raided five premises as part of Operation Refuge, seizing computers containing footage of women allegedly performing explicit sex acts, which are illegal to produce in Victoria.

They are also investigating allegations that some of the models on the porn company's website are under age. But this says nothing about what Operation Refuge actually is, and Googling it turns up nothing.

And the quote 'as well as producing pornography in Victoria, which is illegal' is almost certainly wrong. Some types of pornography, perhaps.

As such I propose deleting the text in italics, again. Adell talk , 23 June UTC. The article you cite for these says neither of those things.

It says nothing at all about what 'Operation Refuge' is. Indeed I can't find anything anywhere about what 'Operation Refuge' is can you?

For all we know, it might be an investigation into trafficking, or tax dodging, or my personal bet a figment of the journalist's imagination.

Nor does the quote above say that producing pornography in Victoria is illegal. Yes, that's great. I've tweaked it slightly.

Adell talk , 26 June UTC. There are entries, not available elsewhere, from current and former models and employees, both pro- and anti- the company.

Adell talk , 28 June UTC. Again, no conclusions have been drawn from this material. I merely note that it exists and that it is being actively contributed to by many people.

The question of whether it is authoritative, or biased, is not relevant. It's common to include links to discussion boards on this basis; there are even links on Wikipedia to pro-Nazi discussion boards.

That doesn't require I hope that that Stormfront be authoritative or unbiased. It's there because it's worth recording that's where Nazis talk to one another.

So, please leave these links. You know, I'm one of the participants in the discussion over at the Somebody Think of the Children blog, and I don't consider that discussion to rise anywhere near to the level of Wikipedia notability.

The raid is notable, the statement posted by Garion Hall is notable, the third-party discussion — not notable. Adell: 'Existence' is not a threshold for inclusion.

Everything that exists is discussed on some blog or forum somewhere. I have no idea why you use Stormfront as an example - it's a poor comparison, but I suppose someone had to invoke Godwin's Law.

Law type! Having a look at this from Mediation Cabal. Adell, Law may have a point here: most articles on WP probably generate some Internet discussion, why do we need to mention them?

That said, I don't think it's a reliability issue: as you say, article doesn't draw conclusions from sources. But do we need to note they exist at all?

Not saying we don't, but could you provide reasons why? The site has a few 'stars' who may get that, but not the 'newbies. I've read the article and I don't see anything that might be construed as defamatory.

What exactly is the concern? A quick read of this page makes it appear that AW is totally solo or lesbian, yet there has been at least one heterosexual shoot, Jamie and Luke , with the implication that there may be more when it was released.

Is this worth including. I do not have any reliable sources apart from the downloads on my hard disc. Kevin removed the Identity controversy with comment " no evidence that this is an actual controversy, not reliably sourced " as response to the BLP.

I disagree with that. It was sourced in example to the Fleshbot ref1 , ref2 , which is notable source and and big enough to proof reliably that controversy actually exists.

Identity is also important part of Abby Winters history because one reason why site were unique was because site claimed that it was founded and operated by woman; Abby Winters , ref and they photo shooted only with all female crews.

Officially Abby was running the site until when company rewrote sites history in Adult Entertainment Expo, Jan , and said that Garion Hall has runned the show from AW press release for AEE also acknowledge the controversy with defining the Abby Winters as persona with the words " Some people would say that Abby Winters, creator of award-winning Australian erotic website abbywinters.

Another reason why there should be something about Abby Winters as persona in the article is that in sites history she is named as founder of the site and it's name is from her.

So i think that chapter should be restored. She told also that they made the decision to keep the Abby persona alive, as the hostess of the site.

The site's official folklore says that it was founded for fun, launched October 14, , by a photographer, Abby Winters born December 13, , and her web-designer friend, who observed how poor existing sites were and thought that she could do better.

I'm not sure what sources you intend using for this, but of the ones listed above the 2 fleshbot links are totally unsuitable for posting material about living people.

One cites a forum post, and the other has a pic of "some dude". As for your second paragraph, it seems a lot like original research.

Kevin talk , 20 November UTC. For clarity, I opened the BLP thread. I left the thread open to allow further discussion, only closing it about 24hrs later.

The first sentence isn't really relevant, nor suitably sourced for a living person. It appears to be 'scene-setting' for what you're saying should be included using the rest of the paragraphs.

I don't see that someone having a less active role compares to being a mere persona. As the various policies note, sources must unambiguously directly support support the information as it is presented; drawing conclusions not evident in the reference is original research regardless of the type of source.

The interview question is a mere passing confirmation as to the eponymous founder of the company; it makes no suggestion it's asked for any reason beside how unrelated orgs named for their own eponymous owners might be.

I agree with Kevin the 2nd paragraph content comprises unsourced or original research. This statement is incorrect as of "GMBill also provides payment services to Australia-based site Beautiful Agony.

The Feck sites annouced they were stopping billing vias GMBill in , and there proff is on their billing pages. Girlsoutwest have now announced they plan to discontinue using GMBill.

In addition there is no guarantee that the age of the youngest models is 18 of the alleged reasons behind the police raid was that at least one of the models was younger than 18 at the time of the shooting.

I will add a small section to the article addressing this. Incubus talk , 3 June UTC. I grieves me to see that porn sites such as AW and entires about other exploitative porn sites as worthy of an entry in WP, with all due respect for WP as a free webcyclopedia whose aim is cover any topic in the world non-objectively.

AW's claims to be a more 'respectful' porn site seem absolutely ridiculous in the face the language they use to describe their 'models', which is eerily similar to descriptions of GMO free organic meat - i.

This my main accusation of exploitation. Their main strength seems to come from their choice of models - 'normal' looking girls. This trait attracts the primarily male audience of porn who are not taken in any more by the promises of other porn sites to provide them with 'virgins' and 'inexperienced' girls, since there they are apparently treated to more innocent and 'unsullied' looking girls.

To be honest AW sounds just like any other meat-trade site in this respect - it simply providing what that particular brand of consumer is looking for to whet their appetite.

To summerise, it seems to be that AW is even more insidious and unscroupelous than most porn sites by virtue of it's incredibly pretensions claims. One is initially taken in by the idea of some kind of new and respectful pornography, whereas in reality they turn out to be even worse than the disrespectful, misogonist and humiliating porn on other sites.

It's either an extremely misguided project or else a very clevel con, which people will eventually catch on to. Either way, it pains me to see that it 'advertised' as one person here put it on wikipedia.

Northgrove, you idiot, that forum's extremely tightly controlled as one would expect , any questions regarding exploitation, whether the models are comfortable with what they've done, the control the models have over where the photos end up which apparently they don't have , will be heavily moderated and or censored - there's no way you're going to get any information from the models except by interviewing them directly.

And even that would be difficult judging by how they were controlled and prevented from talking to journalists at the AVN awards.

Some basic information is arguably encyclopedic, but with much of the article presenting a loyal customer's take on the site, what about other experts - people a with a background studying either sexuality, the porn industry and how it operates, the social and cultural impact of porn, and who have academic credentials?

If people with an other, more academic interest in pornography aren't contributing to this article, it suggests the topic does not deserve such coverage.

I would be dissapointed in Wikipedia if this is taken as a licence for loyal porn customers to own how Abby winters.

I was pleased to find a response which engaged with what I said. I should mention, I am new here. Rereading my original comment I realise I should state, I have not read a lot on various perspectives on the porn industry to wit namely atricles and some extended reports in the more upmarket mainstream print media and mentions in social sciences and cultural studies books , and next to nothing on Abby Winters.

I did not intend to mislead I observe when someone posts on wikipedia 'someone should change this' it frequently implies 'I myself am not qualified to change this'.

I accept that my arguments may be more about pornography in general than abbywinters. Nevertheless my objections to this page in its current form remain.

I can state my objection more clearly: this page is too long to be lacking a mainstream perspective.

What do I mean by 'mainstream', and why do say this? Let me make the comparison with the 'Inception' page.

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If so, then someone could argue that there has been misrepresentation, although, admittedly, as far as I know the company has never issued a prospectus seeking investors, and nobody is saying it has done anything illegal.

But it's not the potential legal implications which are most interesting here, but nailing down the truth. Soixante talk , 16 January UTC. For the IP I am not emplyee of Garion Hall, nor customer of Abby Winters.

Except editing this article and digging things with google i am not involved with abby winters. Your edit wasn't sourced.

I don't care if it was correct. The revision you reverted was sourced. It made no claims about Abby Winters' existence. It only stated what claims the AW about page made.

It referenced the about page, which did feature those claims; so it was correct. The grammar is poor though. Someone fix it Also, get an account or log in.

Bitwiseb talk , 6 December UTC. I just added a bunch of stuff to this page, to try to clean it up, and add content to it. I'm not emotionally connected to any of my edits, and the page is still far from perfect, so modify away.

I didn't realize until I read this talk page afterwards that I'd stumbled upon a hotbed of name calling and emotion-ridden edits and reversions.

I think it's funny, because there's really wasn't ever that much content on this page. To all this I can only say, please add content rather than fight with people.

There's a lot of wikipedia-worthy stuff about abbywinters. Fredsmith2 talk , 23 January UTC. This IP s has been violating 3RR , and it must not be reinserted.

This article was nominated for deletion in June The result was no consensus. At that time the article was a discussion of the type and quality of the photography; now it is an article about a non-notable Australian businessman, focussing on whether he pretends to be a woman.

I think it's time for it to go I prefer, for my own reasons, not to edit articles on erotica under my username, so I'll let somebody else do the nominating if they are in agreement with me.

Dreammaker talk , 22 February UTC. I've added some things to the page about this. The picture published in Fleshbot of Mr Hall wearing an "Abby" nametag and taking a picture which is credited to "Abby" on the site seems to me to settle the matter pretty conclusively -- Adell Why is this notable?

Just becuase some online news site happened to write about it? Seems to be just one person's random rant. Isn't there some rule about undue weight?

Therefore, text that rely on this dead link as a source cannot be considered properly sourced — it is no longer extant information that can be checked by third parties.

In my opinion, the section should stay, however, it should only cite statements found in the Herald-Sun article, since this is the only verifiable source for these criticisms.

Iamcuriousblue talk , 26 October UTC. He was born Ainsley Hall, and grew up on a goat farm in a small Victorian country town.

He later changed his name to avoid ambiguity about his sex. He is without question Abby Winters, and even maintained a spreadsheet outlining which staff knew the secret, which staff didn't, and which staff simply weren't sure.

Garion celebrates the same birthday as Abby, December 13, May well all be true, but shouldn't really be here should it? Can anyone supply some?

I've removed this in line with Policy on unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material Adell talk , 5 May UTC.

While criticisms, especially newsworthy ones, need to be covered, looking at the amount of space given to different parts of the article, it looks to me like undue weight is given to criticisms and controversies surrounding AW.

It seems to me that for balance, the article needs to be expanded to give more of an overall description of the site and its place in the porn industry, as well as the positive published views of the site and its content, of which quite a bit has been said.

Iamcuriousblue talk , 19 June UTC. One of the interesting things about Abby Winters is its amazing capacity to generate strong passions, both pro- and anti-.

A glance at the postings about the recent bust will show you that. I think the article should reflect this, and I don't think it's especially unbalanced as it stands Adell talk , 21 June UTC.

The statement "It is commonly rated as one of the best amateur porn sites" is POV and only backed by references to a couple of the many internet porn portals, which aren't exactly the most reliable sources.

This statement needs to go unless it can be better supported by several strong references. Iamcuriousblue talk , 3 July UTC. An AW model got some small noteriaty in the Australian media last year: [19].

This is probably worth a mention somewhere in the article. On 16 June G Media offices in Melbourne were raided by Victoria Police ' as part of a wider operation named "Operation Refuge", which is a police investigation into the filming of underage models, as well as producing pornography in Victoria, which is illegal'.

Detectives raided five premises as part of Operation Refuge, seizing computers containing footage of women allegedly performing explicit sex acts, which are illegal to produce in Victoria.

They are also investigating allegations that some of the models on the porn company's website are under age.

But this says nothing about what Operation Refuge actually is, and Googling it turns up nothing. And the quote 'as well as producing pornography in Victoria, which is illegal' is almost certainly wrong.

Some types of pornography, perhaps. As such I propose deleting the text in italics, again. Adell talk , 23 June UTC.

The article you cite for these says neither of those things. It says nothing at all about what 'Operation Refuge' is. Indeed I can't find anything anywhere about what 'Operation Refuge' is can you?

For all we know, it might be an investigation into trafficking, or tax dodging, or my personal bet a figment of the journalist's imagination.

Nor does the quote above say that producing pornography in Victoria is illegal. Yes, that's great. I've tweaked it slightly.

Adell talk , 26 June UTC. There are entries, not available elsewhere, from current and former models and employees, both pro- and anti- the company.

Adell talk , 28 June UTC. Again, no conclusions have been drawn from this material. I merely note that it exists and that it is being actively contributed to by many people.

The question of whether it is authoritative, or biased, is not relevant. It's common to include links to discussion boards on this basis; there are even links on Wikipedia to pro-Nazi discussion boards.

That doesn't require I hope that that Stormfront be authoritative or unbiased. It's there because it's worth recording that's where Nazis talk to one another.

So, please leave these links. You know, I'm one of the participants in the discussion over at the Somebody Think of the Children blog, and I don't consider that discussion to rise anywhere near to the level of Wikipedia notability.

The raid is notable, the statement posted by Garion Hall is notable, the third-party discussion — not notable. Adell: 'Existence' is not a threshold for inclusion.

Everything that exists is discussed on some blog or forum somewhere. I have no idea why you use Stormfront as an example - it's a poor comparison, but I suppose someone had to invoke Godwin's Law.

Law type! Having a look at this from Mediation Cabal. Adell, Law may have a point here: most articles on WP probably generate some Internet discussion, why do we need to mention them?

That said, I don't think it's a reliability issue: as you say, article doesn't draw conclusions from sources. But do we need to note they exist at all?

Not saying we don't, but could you provide reasons why? The site has a few 'stars' who may get that, but not the 'newbies.

I've read the article and I don't see anything that might be construed as defamatory. What exactly is the concern? A quick read of this page makes it appear that AW is totally solo or lesbian, yet there has been at least one heterosexual shoot, Jamie and Luke , with the implication that there may be more when it was released.

Is this worth including. I do not have any reliable sources apart from the downloads on my hard disc. Kevin removed the Identity controversy with comment " no evidence that this is an actual controversy, not reliably sourced " as response to the BLP.

I disagree with that. It was sourced in example to the Fleshbot ref1 , ref2 , which is notable source and and big enough to proof reliably that controversy actually exists.

Identity is also important part of Abby Winters history because one reason why site were unique was because site claimed that it was founded and operated by woman; Abby Winters , ref and they photo shooted only with all female crews.

Officially Abby was running the site until when company rewrote sites history in Adult Entertainment Expo, Jan , and said that Garion Hall has runned the show from AW press release for AEE also acknowledge the controversy with defining the Abby Winters as persona with the words " Some people would say that Abby Winters, creator of award-winning Australian erotic website abbywinters.

Another reason why there should be something about Abby Winters as persona in the article is that in sites history she is named as founder of the site and it's name is from her.

So i think that chapter should be restored. She told also that they made the decision to keep the Abby persona alive, as the hostess of the site.

The site's official folklore says that it was founded for fun, launched October 14, , by a photographer, Abby Winters born December 13, , and her web-designer friend, who observed how poor existing sites were and thought that she could do better.

I'm not sure what sources you intend using for this, but of the ones listed above the 2 fleshbot links are totally unsuitable for posting material about living people.

One cites a forum post, and the other has a pic of "some dude". As for your second paragraph, it seems a lot like original research.

Kevin talk , 20 November UTC. For clarity, I opened the BLP thread. I left the thread open to allow further discussion, only closing it about 24hrs later.

The first sentence isn't really relevant, nor suitably sourced for a living person. It appears to be 'scene-setting' for what you're saying should be included using the rest of the paragraphs.

I don't see that someone having a less active role compares to being a mere persona. As the various policies note, sources must unambiguously directly support support the information as it is presented; drawing conclusions not evident in the reference is original research regardless of the type of source.

The interview question is a mere passing confirmation as to the eponymous founder of the company; it makes no suggestion it's asked for any reason beside how unrelated orgs named for their own eponymous owners might be.

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